Editor’s Note: When I began corresponding with a self-described conservative who reads this blog, I had no idea he was cohabitating as a “domestic partner” with another individual to whom he was not married. Though I’m staunchly against such unconventional living arrangements, that’s not my focus here. Instead, I chose to pursue this story based upon my vehement opposition to the kind of government interference in personal financial matters that stands to cost this man more than $52,000 from what he had understood to be FDIC-insured accounts.
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Eight days before Christmas, David Cohn happened by my blog, Bob McCarty Writes, and read a post I had written about the July 11 failure of IndyMac Bank. Afterward, he left a comment that came across to me as either a warning to his fellow Americans or the words of a kook. After deleting the comment because he had included his home phone number in it, I was intrigued enough to send Cohn an e-mail Dec. 17 at 2:02 p.m. In it, I asked him one question:
So what do you want to share with me about your IndyMac experience?
In his reply, Cohn shared a copy of a letter he had sent two days earlier to FDIC Chair Sheila C. Bair. In addition, he detailed his so-far-unsuccessful efforts to obtain help from his congressman, Rep. Connie Mack (R-Fla.), and from his two U.S. senators, Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) and Mel Martinez (R-Fla.).
After moving him out of the “kook” category, I told him I would take a look and see what I could do, adding, “No promises, but I’ll try my best to help.” Thus began a three-day exchange of e-mails and phone calls during which I learned the details of his four-month-long battle against to have his insured deposits returned to him by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, a regulatory agency Congress created in 1933 to “restore public confidence in the nation’s banking system.”
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A 44-year-old business owner and real estate investor in Port Charlotte, Fla., Cohn had $305,798.17 — $300,000 of which he believed was insured by the FDIC — on deposit with the Pasadena, Calif.-based IndyMac Bank. Twenty days after the July 11 failure of the bank, the FDIC debited a total of $105,798.17 from his accounts without his consent and without prior warning. Cohn found himself in a state of disbelief.
Upon seeing the $300,000 figure above, one might be inclined to jump to the conclusion that Cohn should have known his accounts were vulnerable because they exceeded the FDIC limit of $100,000 per account. But Cohn would argue they were wrong. After all, people at IndyMac Bank had outlined the deposit insurance guidelines for him at the time he opened his accounts. Surely, they knew what they were talking about. Or did they?
Eight days and several phone calls after the FDIC seizure of his funds, Cohn reached Michael D. Geske, an FDIC financial institution specialist based in the agency’s Dallas Field Office.
During a phone conversation with Geske, Cohn learned that FDIC rules regarding beneficiaries — in place at the time of the IndyMac Bank failure — excluded “domestic partners” from the list of people who qualified as beneficiaries. For Cohn, a man who has been involved in a 15-year domestic-partner relationship with a person whom he named as one of the beneficiaries of his trust account, advance knowledge of that rule would have changed the way he handled his money at the time he deposited it at IndyMac Bank.
Much to his surprise, Cohn said he was told by Geske during the same phone call that he would be getting back $100,000 of the funds that had been seized. According to Cohn, Geske said that the FDIC would not have insured domestic partners under normal circumstances. Because IndyMac was such a massive public bank failure, according to Geske, the FDIC was taking extraordinary measures and would, as he stated in the above-mentioned e-mail, insure his losses up to $300,000.
Excited but still cautious, Cohn wanted something to serve as proof of his conversation with Geske, so he asked the FDIC official to recap their conversation in the form of an e-mail. The e-mail Geske sent to Cohn Aug. 8 at 2:26 p.m. contained the following details that served to confirm their phone conversation:
From: Geske, Michael D. <MGeske@FDIC.gov>
Subject: Indy Mac Bank
To: David Cohn
Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:36 PM
Dear David,
I am emailing you to let you know your deposit insurance determination. You have account number (deleted) listed as solely in your name. This makes it a single ownership account and qualifies for up to $100,000 in deposit insurance. Since the balance was $102,010.42, it is uninsured $2,010.42. Your other account is number (deleted). It is listed as an in trust for account with 2 beneficiaries. These types of accounts qualify for deposit insurance up to $100,000 per qualifying beneficiary. Since there are two beneficiaries, it would qualify for up to $200,000 in deposit insurance coverage. This account had a balance of $203,787.75 and is therefore uninsured $3,787.75. The grand total of deposit insurance is $300,000 and the total of uninsured funds is $5,798.17. You will receive a corrected receivership certificate in the mail.
The FDIC has issued a 50% dividend for all uninsured depositors. You will receive a check in the mail for $2,899.08 from the FDIC. Some of the remaining 50% of uninsured funds may still get collected. As the FDIC liquidates the assets of the failed bank, if we collect more than the 50% already paid, we will issue additional dividends. It is impossible to say how much an asset will sell for or how fast it will sell. So there is no way to let you know when, how much, or if you will collect additional funds.
If you have additional questions, feel free to email me directly.
Sincerely,
Mike Geske
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
Financial Institution Specialist
Dallas, TX Field Office
PS, I gave you the wrong extension over the phone. The correct extension for the office I am working in is (972) 761-2389. I will be in this office until mid September.
In reply, Cohn sent this e-mail to Geske less than three hours later:
From: David Cohn
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:11 PM
To: Geske, Michael D.
Subject: Re: Indy Mac Bank
Mike,
Thank you once again for the e-mail confirming our conversation. In your email you stated that I should receive a check in the mail for $2,899.08 which is 50% advanced dividend of my uninsured deposits. I understand this. When will I receive a check for the remaining balance of my insured funds?
Thank you once again, David.
Nearly 12 hours passed before Geske replied to Cohn via e-mail as follows:
On Sat, 8/9/08, Geske, Michael D. <MGeske@FDIC.gov> wrote:
From: Geske, Michael D. <MGeske@FDIC.gov>
Subject: RE: Indy Mac Bank
To: David Cohn
Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 5:49 AM
That should be handled electronically through the bank.
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Unfortunately for Cohn, Geske and his supervisor appear to have provided him erroneous information in much the same manner as the people at IndyMac Bank failed to provide him complete information at the time he made his deposits and selected beneficiaries for his funds.
Adding salt to the “wound” that is Cohn’s frustration, the FDIC changed its rules within 90 days of IndyMac Bank’s failure. In a Sept. 26 news release, the FDIC announced a “simplification” of the beneficiary rules which includes no mention of limits being placed upon people who qualify as beneficiaries.
When deciding upon distribution of funds in a trust, the rightful owner of those funds should be able to designate whomever he chooses — family member, friend or domestic partner — as a beneficiary. Whether or not one chooses to live with someone with whom he or she is not married should have nothing to do with it, and government should have no say in the matter.
In future posts, I will share the perspectives of the FDIC and elected officials on this matter.
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9 responses so far ↓
1 Lisa Marshall // Dec 22, 2008 at 12:38 am
Dear Mr. Mc Carty,
I have been in touch via phone and email with 25 fellow indymac “uninsured” depositors over the last two weeks as a result of my interview with “TheStreet.com” & Lauren LaCapra as the journalist. Her article may be viewed by going to : http://www.thestreet.com/story/10452562/1/indymac-failure-leaves-savers-in-the-cold.html
That evening of the story’s release, we began a blog site: indymacdepositors.com.
I have spoken with so many people like Mr. Cohn & myself who are smart, conservative savers, who parked in a seemingly safe place.
As it turns out, we funded Indymac’s lending capability. The officers of the bank assured us of our money’s safety. Due to the negligence of the bank, and it’s representatives we are the people who suffer the loss and endure the lies of all the alphabet agencies. The “borrowers” of the bank are re-structured, rates are reduced and principal is reduced. Members of Congress vote for non-retroactive insurance to instill confidence in the U.S. community. Then, they vote themselves a salary increase. They all pass the buck and do not respond to written inquiries for assistance. It is very insulting.
2 Jeff Soltan // Dec 26, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Why won’t congress vote to retroactivate the 250k new limit to us, the indymac losers of our deposits. They made the new limit effective within 90 days of the fdic takeover of Indymac.
The intent was to instill confidence in depositors minds. We are the U.S. depositors. Instill confindence in the bank in our minds.
3 Justin // Dec 31, 2008 at 10:29 am
Two days before the Indymac Bank failure, I called the bank and asked what was going on.
I was assured that my funds were safe. I had
two accounts with my mother as beneficiary
and because one was over $100K, I lost half
of the second one. I am 28 years old and this is
all of the money I have. I feel we should sue and
do a class action against Indymac. I was given
erroneous information from the bank personnel,
whom I trusted and I need the balance of my money. The FDIC is now insuring up to $250K
This is not fair for the depositors who lost their
monies at Indymac. We cannot just sit back and
allow this to continue. The government is bailing out the banks, auto makers, etc…How
about the little people who trusted in the banking system? Why are we the ones who have
been screwed? We must join together and fight
to make the 250K retroactive to the Indymac
depositors. Please join me.
Justin Shenkarow
4 hamir // Jan 9, 2009 at 12:41 am
i am one ofthe unsinsured depositors. there are 70+ people who have sent letters and faxes. we need 10,000 to march to washington. please join and email or visit the site indymacdepositors.com.
next time your representative needs a vote make them realize that they did not listen to their constituents.
5 Cjhodgson // Feb 7, 2009 at 7:33 pm
I am another one of the unisured Indymac depositors. A little over two weeks before the take over, I deposited 360K from the sale of my house. The bank manager help me “set” up my account. Little did i know she only insured me for 100K. I am a single parent, receiving no child support. The government took 1/3 of my life savings. I later found out the both the FDIC and the Office of Thrift Supervision allowed the bank to backdate deposits which caused a bigger mess and a higher loss for the depositors. If they would have regulated the bank, instead of aiding in abetting in fraud. I wouldn’t be writing this in the first place. I would like to add that I have been a police officer for over 20 years. I try my hardest to protect the citizens in my jurisdiction. I would really like to know who’s protecting me. The government surely isn’t.
6 hotoffthepress2 // Feb 7, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Cjhodgson — Wow! Sorry to hear that.
7 chris // Feb 25, 2009 at 7:03 pm
i lost $109,000 and some change. i was on the phone with our IRS simply asking what amount i may write off to help offset 2008 taxes; i was passed around to one agent after another until i was put on final hold. no one could answer the question…i’ll check out the website. i collected over 50 names and phone numbers with others standing in line with me who had lost various sums of money.
8 Iftikhar Ahmed // Nov 26, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Dear Chris, I lost $52,000 of my hard earned life saving due to Banking mess and lack of governmental supervision of Indymac Bank. We did not receive any dividend in year 2008 , We should take $3000 loss in tax return and there after every year as casualty loss.
9 Brian and Juley // Apr 5, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Did everyone just forget about the money we all lost? Meaning the government? How quickly it was all dropped?
We lost alot of money too…It was planned by the government, because they were broke? They knew they could take the money..what can we do as citizens?
How much money(total) did they actually take from people? I used to believe in the system..
Anymore screw them if you can and the hell with Obama!!!Run moonshine if you can??
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