In a post Nov. 9 about the apparent launch of a missile off the California coast one day earlier, I wrote:
As a former Air Force public affairs officer who served for nearly two years with the 381st Strategic Missile Wing — think Titan II ICBMs — at McConnell Air Force Base near Wichita, Kan., I can guarantee with 100 percent certainty that officials inside the Pentagon know the exact location from which the large missile was launched, the means via which it was launched and by whom it was launched off the coast of California Monday evening.
Eleven days later, others in the conservative media are citing experts who agree with my initial assessment that the object seen leaving a contrail off the California coast the evening of Nov. 8 was indeed a missile; moreover, they’re saying it was fired by the crew of a Chinese submarine.
More to come, I’m sure.
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Is it just me or is any one else reminded of flight 800
As for the cover up, yes. As for the type of missile, no. The TWA Flight 800 missile was of the shoulder-launched variety. Read more about it here.
So the Chinese launched a missile to make a point to Obama when he was over there on the diplomatic trail.
What point would that be again? We already know they have nuclear subs. It’s not as if the China is going to attack the US. They will be able to buy the US in a few years, they are doing just fine.
Put some meat on the conspiracy bones here.
Is it just me? I HAVE HAD ENOUGH! We have devolved into subjects from citizens. One of Hitlers guys said “tell a big lie often enough and the people will accept it” Well I for one do not. Got any Ideas how we fix this Bob?
Hey, it’s okay, they’re proctoscoping children and little old ladies in the airports, so we’ll be safe.
Bob,
it seems to be just you and Jim Cash who agree its a missile.
I would be more inclined to consider a grand conspiracy of China, Obama, the U.S. military, Fox News and the MSM, if there was someone questioning it who wasn’t previously pre-occuppied with conspiracy theories.
You could work North Korea into the narrative now that it’s kicking off there.
Hey Jenk
Contempt prior to investigation is a definition if insanity.
There has been an investigation BCP.
Your right and I am wrong Jenk. How could I question the government? What was I thinking?
Contempt after investigation, which has almost universal agreement seems pretty reasonable.
Who do you think launched a missile and why?
Who knows about it and is covering it up and why?
Why has almost everyone accepted it wasn’t a missile, even including many who deeply distrust the government? There are far more people who believe in alien abduction than this.
Or rather than a Chinese sub sneaking just of the coast and launching an ICBM to nowhere to make a point, perhaps it was a contrail from a plane.
I know bob doesn’t like external links, but I cant post all of this here. Please have a look and see what you think of the contrail from last year, and “update II” where the “missile” stops making trails.
http://www.smartplanet.com/technology/blog/thinking-tech/the-mysterious-california-missile-launch-that-wasnt/5646/
Peace brother. We don’t have the security clearance to know whats really going on. But, fool me once…
I’ve been hit on the head a few too many times Jenk but I think the Chinese see Obama as week. In a totalitarian dictatorship to light off a rocket is just another tool of negotiation and posturing for position. But hey, I could be wrong.
The importance of a story is inversely proportional to the length of time it gets in the MSM.
Rep. Tom Tancredo got to tell us exactly once about Mexican Army personnel being on U.S. soil and shooting out a border agent’s tires. Then–silence. Pretty strange for an event that a lot of people would equate with an act of war.
If you don’t think the MSM is manipulated, you are deluded. This morning, “National Opt Out Day”, I awoke to an ABC radio story about the threat alert levels being done away with by the TSA (yawn), then some brain-pablum about there being “no problems” at airport security. How about telling us how many people were driving vs. flying? No, that was TMI, and more than we could handle.
Go back to your lives, citizens. “These aren’t the droids we are looking for.”
My ideological brother: give me liberty,
Love your movie quote.
I wanted to let this go but, your analysis:
story importance proportional to Length of time in MSM and MSM is manipulated cancel each other out. If MSM is controlled, story doesn’t matter. Only agenda! And Jenk, Alien Abduction? Talk to American families on our southern border who have had a family members kidnapped by Mexican nationals.
And Jenk also, read Bud Hopkins “Witnessed” A group of UN vehicles (including the Secretary General) witnessed an abduction of a woman in New York from a 5th story Apartment at about 2:30 am.
A person who cannot acknowledge that there are things he doesn’t know, is a dangerous person indeed.
Well we seemed to have strayed from the missile conspiracy since my last comment. Anyone got more thoughts on it?
GiveMeLiberty, I agree that the amount of coverage given to the contrail story was inversely proportinal to its importance.
BCP, I don’t know what to say regarding your last comment.
Happy holidays everyone.
There are lots of things I don’t know. I can’t be 100% sure that the missile theory isn’t right, but it’s fantastically unlikely and a far more reasonable explanation exists.
I could tell you that I am Nelson Mandela, and you wouldn’t be able to disprove it, but you would be sensible to dismiss it.
Or were you talking about alien abductions libby?
Bob, sorry to trash up your sight. Please let me toss one last thing out here.
Hey guys, please google “structures on moon airbrush”
BCP — I hope you’re not saying we have secret bases/buildings on the moon. Please tell me you’re not!
No, I am not saying that. I would however like NASA to produce the negatives of the “airbrushed images to put this to rest.
Okay, I’ll just attribute your thinking to the fact that you’re from Pawnee. Ha!
Could someone please share how the probability of the various explanations for the contrail (whatever it was) can be determined?
I would like to know how one determines that this or that explanation is more or less probable than another, and what the numerical probability is.
I did not make reference to anyone being Nelson Mandela, or to alien abductions. Those are just a distraction technique, designed to denigrate and discredit those who are not ready to accept the explanation offered for the event.
They are irrelevant and side-track the discussion.
Libby, you raised Tom Tancredo, National Opt Out day and star wars quotes as a distraction.
The Nelson Mandela comment was a response to “A person who cannot acknowledge that there are things he doesn’t know, is a dangerous person indeed.”
The point is that whilst many things are possible (and impossible to disprove), some are so unlikely, you may as well dismiss them.
Occams Razor – the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. If I see what looks like a contrail tomorrow, should I assume we are under attack, or a plane has passed by?
As for the alien stuff, I think I am probably as bemused as you.
OK Bob, I swear this is my last post on this :)
Once again, I am sorry for the link, but it’s the pictures of other similar contrails on the very long explanation which really make the point best.
I can’t give you an exact probability figure libby, but surely after seeing other contrails looking the same, and knowing that there was a flight from Hawaii from Ontario in the right place at the right time, you can accept it *might* have been a contrail? If not, I’ll lay the matter to rest.
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/#more-4
Point, game & match to Jenk. I give bro.
The Alien stuff was not introdeced by me, I simply pointed out some writings. In ’97′ I got a wild hair and read everything the St. Charles public library had on the subject. EVERYTHING. Being a Christian I looked in scripture. (2nd Kings and Ezekiel, they’re there). Recently South American and Europian governments have declassified their info on this.
Remember contempt prior to investigation.
It is very difficult to let go of your paradigm. Science once taught the earth was at the center of the Universe. This was false. Still, ‘epicircles’ were constructed to explain the movement of the planets.
Bob the structures on the moon are not ours. They are said to be ancient. I shared my theory with you on this. Time will be my judge with all due respect.
Okay, I’ll wait before I condemn you.
Tom Tancredo’s instantaneously squashed attempt to shed a little light on the Mexican Army being in our country, and NOOD being passed over by compliant media which focused on the trivial threat level story, are perfect examples of media ignoring something that I personally thought was a pretty big story. Hence the “inversely proportional” statement I made.
The Star Wars quote is perfectly suited–the storm troopers were being brainwashed (? I think that is what Alec Guiness was doing) to think the droids were NOT the ones they should be interested in, when the opposite was the case.
Can anyone see a parallel here?
Of course I would be willing to say that it might have been a contrail. But why do many people seem willing to say think that it was not? What peculiarities caused it to appear different?
Claiming to be Nelson Mandela is a tangent. It also is a little hyperbolic, and thus seems intended as an insult to the powers of discernment others possess. My take, anyway.
My point was that the media under-reports major stories sometimes. Q.E.D.
I’m sorry that anything I said seemed insulting. It wasn’t meant to be. The
I didn’t claim to be Nelson Mandela; it would be pretty ridiculous, obviously untrue and that was the point. I don’t know why you think it was an hyperbolic though. It’s an example of something almost certainly untrue which nethertheless can’t be disproved. Just to be clear, I am not Nelson Mandela.
I haven’t taken offence at the suggestion I might be brain washed, and I enjoyed the Star Wars quote.