Author: ‘Third Terrorist’ Arrested in Quincy, Mass.

Posted on March 11, 2011 by BobMcCarty

An article published Thursday evening in the Patriot-Ledger newspaper in Quincy, Mass., is incredible in that it casts the spotlight anew on a man Jayna Davis believes made the title of her New York Times best-selling book, The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing — Hussain Al-Hussani.

Hussain Al-Hussaini (Quincy P.D.)

According to Davis, the award-winning investigative reporter I interviewed in September 2009 for a three-part series about her book, Al-Hussaini is the man who was seen with Timothy McVeigh weeks before the April 19, 1995, terror strike that left 168 dead in Oklahoma City. And he was the man interviewed by the FBI and then, inexplicably, let go.

David P. Schippers, the man who served as chief investigative counsel for the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee during the Clinton Impeachment Hearings and as manager of the proceedings that followed in the U.S. Senate, is similarly convinced of Al-Hussaini’s involvement.

Below is an excerpt from a post I published Sept. 30, 2009, based on my interview of Schippers:

I began the interview by asking Schippers why no one had pursued Hussain Al-Hussaini, the Iraqi native Davis identified in her book as the third terrorist who, along with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, carried out the attack?

“My honest opinion is that the original shot was made by (President Bill) Clinton in 1995,” he explained. “Remember, it was 1995, and he had lost the congress — both houses of Congress — and people were saying he would never get reelected, and his numbers were way the hell down.

“If he had had another attack against the United States, he would have had to act, and he didn’t do a damn thing on the first Twin Towers bombing,” he continued. “Clinton said, ‘Let’s not overreact,’ and, at that time, we had the Department of Justice with (Janet) Reno in there who was completely politicized, and I think (Clinton) just decided we’re not going to do it.”

Schippers continued, “riding” a bipartisan train of thought.

“Now, why didn’t the (President George W.) Bush people do it?” he asked rhetorically. “That’s the one that really bothered me. We deliberately waited until Reno and that gang got out of the administration and then Bush came in.”

Unfortunately, no one ever bit on the information Schippers said a president could have used as a legitimate reason to invade Iraq, and he blames it on a pact between the Bushes and Clintons — something akin to the mutually-assured destruction mindset that prevailed during the Cold War between Russia and the United States.

“I’m convinced that both sides know that if they blow the other up, they’re both going to get it,” he said.

He didn’t stop there.

“Now, why aren’t these people (in the Obama Administration) doing anything about it?” he asked. “Because they’re not doing a (expletive) thing about anything!”

Further into the interview, I shared Schippers’ opinion about the origin of the John Doe #2 profile sketch that circulated for a time after the bombing:

Amidst a pause, Schippers turned the table on the interviewer and asked how many times I had seen sketches of suspects on wanted posters. I told him I had seen them often.

Then he asked, “Have you ever seen a profile?” I said I had not, and he continued.

“Do you know why the drawing of the guy was a profile? Because they took it off the tape,” he explained. “That’s where it came from. You never see a profile. It’s always a front view.”

Except in this case.

Schippers said he talked to the people in Oklahoma City who gave the FBI information and that there is no question in his mind — and in Jayna’s mind — that the side view of Hussain Al-Hussaini bears a more-than-striking resemblance to the profile sketch of John Doe 2.

It’s likely, according to Davis’ law enforcement sources who she cannot name in order to protect them, the sketch was taken from the missing surveillance tape footage.

“Why would you edit tapes unless there was something on there that’s gonna blow you sky high?” he asked, his voice animated over the phone line. “What’s on there, on those tapes that they showed, that they gave this guy? It was either Hussain Al-Hussaini — he was the passenger — or just a Ryder truck with unidentified people in it.

“But that picture with the side view of him was so obvious that it was taken from the passenger side and that was him sitting in the front seat.”

Piqued your interest yet? Then I recommend you buy the book.

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Tea Partiers, Militia Linked to OKC Bombing?

Posted on April 15, 2010 by BobMcCarty

With the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing only days away, I’m troubled by the fact that Ed Kelley, top-dog editor for OPUBCO (the largest news operation in Oklahoma) continues to promote the government’s version of what happened in downtown Oklahoma City April 19, 1995, despite the fact that the story has been proven to be full of holes. Even worse, he opted to sandwich his comments about the tragedy that left 168 dead with less-than-complementary remarks about tea partiers and those who advocate a citizen’s militia.

Kelley’s words about the bombing appear in the video above which accompanied a NewsOK.com article published about a tea party rally taking place today in Oklahoma City. They so incensed me that I fired off the electronic letter below:

Dear Mr. Kelley,

A native Oklahoman, journalism degree-carrying graduate of Oklahoma State University and proprietor of a Top 100 Conservative Blog, BobMcCarty.com, I now living in St. Louis after having served as an Air Force officer for six years and in various corporate capacities around the world.

Today, I watched your “Mash the Militia” video that accompanied an article about the Tea Party movement and have a question for you: Have you ever read the book, The Third Terrorist,” by award-winning investigative reporter Jayna Davis? If so, I wonder how you — and OPUBCO — can continue to “carry water” for the federal government and its version of events surrounding the Oklahoma City Bombing.

The book clearly spells out and documents the fact that McVeigh and Nichols were not alone in the conspiracy to bomb the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.

If you don’t have time to read the entire book, perhaps you will read a handful of pieces I’ve written about the subject:

Best-Selling Author, Investigative Journalist Breaks Silence About OKC Bombing Video Tapes (1/3)
Best-Selling Author, Investigative Journalist Breaks Silence About OKC Bombing Video Tapes (2/3)
Best-Selling Author, Investigative Journalist Breaks Silence About OKC Bombing Video Tapes (3/3)
Attorney Says Unedited Versions of the Oklahoma City Bombing Surveillance Tapes Are ‘Somewhere’

I would hope that, after reading either the book or my published pieces above, you would treat the investigation into the bombing as only partially complete in future reports. The 15th anniversary of the bombing would be a good time to start telling your readers and viewers the whole truth.

Sincerely,

Bob McCarty
BobMcCarty.com

Stay tuned! If Kelley replies to my letter, I will publish it in its entirety. Of course, I’m not holding my breath.

‘Truthers’ Group Holding News Conference Today

Posted on February 19, 2010 by BobMcCarty

A group calling itself “Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth” is holding a news conference at 11 a.m. PST today in San Francisco to discuss their call for a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center Sept. 11, 2001.

According to the group’s news release this morning, the list of “disturbing facts emerging from the forensic evidence” includes the following:

Complete destruction of both Twin Towers in just 10 to 14 seconds at near free-fall acceleration;
Over 100 first-responder reports of explosions and flashes at onset of destruction;
Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally 600 ft at 60 mph;
Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking;
1200-foot-diameter debris field: no “pancaked” floors seen in the debris pile;
Several tons of molten metal found in debris; and
Evidence of advanced explosive nano-thermitic composite material found in the WTC dust by an international team of scientists.

While I don’t consider myself a “9/11 Truther” by any stretch, I’ll withhold judgment until some future date when all of the facts related to the investigation become public. After all, a lot of people still think Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols acted alone in Oklahoma City.

Readers of this blog know that conclusion was thoroughly disproved by award-winning investigative reporter Jayna Davis in her book, “The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing.” See these posts for details.

Terror, Travesty and Tales of Suppressed Evidence

Posted on January 24, 2010 by hotoffthepress2

Vicki and Michael Behenna

EDITOR’S NOTE: I waited to publish this piece until after the Army Clemency and Parole Board made public it’s decision concerning the case of 1st Lt. Michael Behenna. Why? Because I did not want to divert anyone’s attention from the 26-year-old Army officer’s case and what seems like overwhelming evidence to suggest, first, that Army prosecutors suppressed evidence during his court-martial and, second, that he deserves, at a minimum, a new trial and, at best, a presidential pardon.

During the past seven months, I’ve published more than a dozen posts and two widely-circulated articles (here and here) about the case of Army Ranger 1st Lt. Michael Behenna. In my writings, however, I described the lieutenant’s mother, Vicki Behenna, only as a federal prosecutor in Oklahoma City. I wrote very little about the fact that she helped wage the government’s case against Timothy McVeigh, a man who was eventually convicted, sentenced to death and executed for his role in the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building that left 168 dead and scores injured.

Today, however, I share more details about the unique — and, I suspect, unprecedented — position in which Vicki Behenna finds herself today.

BACKGROUND

On June 7, only three days after publishing my first brief about Lieutenant Behenna, I published my first post about the Oklahoma City bombing. In the latter post, I drew parallels between the bombing and the July 17, 1996, disaster involving TWA Flight 800 off the coast of Long Island. Little did I know, however, that I would find a thread of irony to link the lieutenant’s case to the Oklahoma City bombing. The thread became visible in late September 2009 after the FBI released footage captured moments after the blast by several security cameras in downtown Oklahoma City.

THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING

On Sept. 28, I published the first of four posts in which I cited two highly-credible sources, Jayna Davis and David P. Schippers, who believe the FBI withheld evidence — including, but not limited to, security camera footage shot before the blast took place at 9:02 a.m. Central — from parties on both sides of the OKC Bombing trial.

At the time of the bombing, Davis was an award-winning investigative reporter for NBC affiliate KFOR-TV in Oklahoma City. Unlike most other journalists, who’ve attributed the horrific attack solely to so-called “domestic terrorists” McVeigh and Nichols, Davis turned up seemingly-irrefutable evidence which pointed the lion’s share of the blame to a group of former Iraqi soldiers. One of them was identified by several witnesses as having been in the cab of the Ryder rental truck with McVeigh; hence, the title of the book she went on to write, “The Third Terrorist.”

Davis’ book would make it to The New York Times Best Sellers list with the help of then-upstart conservative radio talk show host Glenn Beck. In addition, she was featured on CNN (Lou Dobbs) and Fox News Channel, in several major newspapers (i.e., Indianapolis Star, London Evening Standard, Philadelphia Daily News, Wall Street Journal and Washington Times) and in articles published on several prominent online news sites, including NewsMax and WorldNetDaily.

Schippers, a Democrat and author of the book, “SELLOUT: The Inside Story of President Clinton’s Impeachment,” is an experienced litigator from Chicago who served as chief investigative counsel for the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee during the Clinton Impeachment Hearings and as manager of the proceedings that followed in the U.S. Senate. He became an outspoken believer in Davis and her investigation and wrote the forward for her book.

Regarding the whereabouts of the video evidence likely to show what security cameras captured moments before the blast at 9:02 a.m. Central, Schippers told this writer in September that he thinks “the FBI still has all of those tapes, and I don’t think we’re ever going to see ‘em.” Further, he said he believes the FBI committed a Brady violation — that is, they suppressed evidence from both sides during the trial. Read all of what this man told me about the case in the post, Attorney Says Unedited Versions of the Oklahoma City Bombing Surveillance Tapes Are ‘Somewhere’.

Davis and Schippers, along with nearly two-dozen people who signed sworn affidavits related to events they witnessed related to the bombing, believe that evidence would have played a key role in determining who else, in addition to McVeigh and accomplice Terry Nichols, was behind the attack.

THE CASE OF LIEUTENANT BEHENNA

In the court-martial case against Lieutenant Behenna, one expert contends to this day that Army prosecutors committed a Brady violation when they suppressed evidence favorable to the lieutenant’s defense and, in doing so, violated due process and his right to a fair and impartial trial. The real “kicker” in the case lies in the identity of the person from whom the allegation of prosecutorial misconduct came. Surprisingly, it wasn’t someone on the defense side of the court room. Instead, it was the Army’s own expert witness.

Dr. Herbert Leon MacDonell was flown in from Corning, N.Y., but never allowed to testify. Why? Because, during the trial, he had the opportunity to examine key pieces of evidence prosecutors had not shared with him prior to his arrival at the proceedings. When he told prosecutors that his examination of that evidence had caused him to change his mind and believe Lieutenant Behenna was telling the truth, they opted against having the court hear his testimony — words that should have resulted in a favorable outcome for the young officer. (For all of the details about what the director of the Laboratory for Forensic Science knew, when he knew it and why he was never called to testify in Lieutenant Behenna’s case, read this post.)

In the end, Lieutenant Behenna was found guilty on a single count of unpremeditated murder and sentenced to 25 years in prison — a term twice reduced — for killing Ali Mansur, a known Al-Qaeda operative. Today, he is prisoner #87503 at Fort Leavenworth, serving a 15-year sentence and continuing the appeals process.

RADIO INTERVIEWS

Pat Dollard

As a result of her experience with the Oklahoma City bombing trial and her son’s court-martial, Vicki Behenna knows what it’s like to be involved — once on the prosecution side, once on the defense — in separate criminal cases in which evidence crucial to the outcomes has been suppressed. Indirectly, she fielded questions about that subject during two recent radio interviews.

During a Dec. 29 interview, Pat Dollard raised the possibility that the Oklahoma City bombing might have marked the first moments the Behenna family had been touched directly by jihad. Very politely, Vicki Behenna dismissed his theory.

“There’s been a lot of speculation,” she said. “It’s clear, I think, from the evidence, that there were not a whole lot of other people involved in that and that it was a plot by a small group of men, three men, who were angry and wanted to make a statement against the government.”

Michael Savage

During an interview with Vicki Behenna this month, conservative radio talk show host Michael Savage went a step further than Dollard and asked Vicki Behenna if she thinks there was some kind of political payback from somebody related to her involvement in the McVeigh trial.

“I can’t imagine why,” she responded. “I mean, I’m just a little assistant. I’m just a federal employee that does federal prosecutions. I can’t imagine, although that’s been suggested before.”

KARMA?

I cannot imagine being involved in two separate cases over which allegations of suppressed evidence and/or testimony hang like dark clouds. At the same time, however, I’m not going to imply that her son’s wrongful imprisonment is the result of some kind of what-goes-around-comes-around karma tied to her work on the McVeigh trial. Instead, I’ll offer three IF-THEN statements for consideration while maintaining my steadfast and unwavering support of Lieutenant Behenna:

1. IF you find nothing wrong with the fact that the FBI released only post-blast footage from security cameras in downtown Oklahoma City but refuses to release pre-blast footage, THEN you’ll likely agree with Vicki Behenna and most other Americans that “unknown others” were not involved in the Oklahoma City bombing;

2. IF, however, you read Davis’ book — and I have read it twice — and consider the evidence she presents, THEN you’ll find it impossible to agree with Vicki Behenna and others on the prosecution side of the Oklahoma City bombing that there was no Iraqi involvement; and

3. IF it turns out that Lieutenant Behenna’s imprisonment is somehow tied to his mother’s involvement as a prosecutor in Oklahoma City, THEN this nation has even bigger and more troubling problems than most Americans can dare imagine.

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For a complete report on Lieutenant Behenna’s case, read “The Michael Behenna Story” (pdf) by Carrie Fatigante.

For information about how you can contribute to Lieutenant Behenna’s legal defense fund, visit the Defend Michael web site.

The Michael Behenna Story: Getting Personal

Posted on December 8, 2009 by hotoffthepress2

EDITOR’S NOTE: On July 31, 2008, Army Ranger 1st Lt. Michael Behenna was charged with the premeditated murder of Ali Mansur, a known Al-Qaeda agent operating near Albu Toma, an area north of Baghdad. Seven months later, the leader of the 18-member Delta Company, 5th platoon of the Army 101st Airborne Infantry Division was convicted of unpremeditated murder and sentenced to 25 years confinement at Fort Leavenworth. Below is the first installment of a multi-part investigative series detailing the spurious case against Lieutenant Behenna, now 26, adapted from “The Michael Behenna Story (pdf)” (26 pgs., PDF) by new BMW contributor Carrie Fatigante.

By Carrie Fatigante

The resemblance of Michael to his mother is compelling and impossible to miss. Their jaws are firmly set and their eyes appear acute, as if even the smallest details are catalogued. Although I was not allowed to contact Michael because of the status of his case, I did meet the rest of his family one afternoon last August, and couldn’t help but note the intense loyalty to Michael and each other. Despite the somber reason for the meeting, the Behennas welcomed me to their table as a friend, sharing even the most difficult aspects of Michael’s case.

Vicki and Scott Behenna raised their three boys in Edmond, Okla., an affluent suburb of Oklahoma City. Vicki is a federal prosecutor and Scott is a former Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation agent who now serves as an intelligence analyst for the FBI. Law enforcement, justice, honesty and loyalty are running themes that extend to each member of the family.

Michael joined the Army to defend his country after the attacks of 9/11. Middle son Brett is a 24-year-old law student at the University of Oklahoma and a legal intern at the Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals. The youngest, Curtis, is a 22-year-old pre-med senior at the University of Central Oklahoma. He is currently interning at the Veterans Hospital in Oklahoma City as a research assistant studying the effects of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

The Behenna Family: Scott, Brett, Vicki, Michael and Curtis

The younger boys are as commanding as their older brother, though in different ways.

Brett’s dark eyes seemed to search my motives immediately, and it became clear throughout the interview that he has taken over Michael’s role as protector of the family.

Curtis, who wears Michael’s dog tags every day, has sandy hair and a boyish smile that seems to spite the difficulties his family has endured.

“He is a gifted leader” said Vicki, when asked to describe Michael. “Not in a student council sort of way, but more of a finding someone in need and getting a group together to help them way.”

A perfect example, she says, is how, shortly after Michael arrived at the military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kan., he met another soldier whose wife and young children were now without income because of the soldier’s conviction. Michael called home and implored Scott and Vicki to help this family, not just financially, but also in processing social security forms and aid requests. Even in prison, “Michael wants to help people,” Vicki smiles proudly.

Both his parents and brothers agree that Michael was the family protector and stood as a strong force of alliance with Brett and Curtis if they encountered trouble at school. Even so, Vicki says he was friendly with everyone, and had nicknames for those closest to him.

“It’s sort of his thing,” Vicki explained. “It’s his way of showing affection.”

“He had an amazing ability to get along with anyone,” Scott added. “His friends ran the gamut. And while serving in Iraq, he was known for his ability to build rapport with people of all different cultures. He always tried to learn the languages of the people he was dealing with.”

Michael Behenna and girlfriend Shannon Wahl

Michael & girlfriend Shannon Wahl

Indeed, emails and correspondence from those who knew Michael before he was sent to prison confirm that this is a man respected for his intelligence and loved for his compassion.

Although he was an Army first lieutenant, the Behennas disclosed that he rarely wore his bars, because he didn’t like to advertise his rank when establishing accord.

“He is a very relatable guy,” says Curtis. “He had friends who lived in wealthy gated communities and he had friends who lived in trailer parks.”

Brett describes Michael as “the least prejudicial and most open-minded person I know. He has an insatiable interest and incredible respect for people of different cultures. The idea that Michael would engage in any kind of angry revenge killing is the total opposite of his personality.”

What is perhaps the most telling of Michael’s traits, at least in regard to his criminal case, is his unwavering loyalty to those he loves and for whom he feels responsible.

Michael was so dedicated to spending time with his family that in high school he instituted a family game night ritual, and wouldn’t take no for an answer when other family members might have wanted to bow out.

But, Michael has been no stranger to loss and betrayal.

Like millions of other 11 year old boys, Michael played baseball and especially liked his coach, Mike Weaver, an attorney for the Department of Housing and Urban Development located in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. But on April 19, 1995, Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah building, killing 168 people, including Weaver.

When I asked Vicki how Michael dealt with such a horrific loss at this young age, she answered candidly.

“He never picked up a baseball bat again. He wouldn’t even look at one. And his healing process was prolonged because of my position on the case. He couldn’t escape what had happened.”

Vicki was an integral part of the federal government’s prosecution team that ultimately secured the death penalty for McVeigh, who was executed for the bombing in 2001.

Young Michael Behenna

According to a NewsOK.com report, Michael was so affected by the OKC bombing that he scrawled Weaver’s initials on his notebooks for years. Looking at the picture of Michael in his baseball uniform with the happy smile and bright eyes, Brett told me, “The innocent boy in this picture ceased to exist.”

Shortly after the bombing, Vicki’s father began molesting Michael, who undoubtedly would have been vulnerable to such a psychological and physical attack. Despite his own emotional repercussions, Michael’s courage and protective nature allowed him to disclose the abuse two years later so that his brothers, who were nearing the age in which Michael’s abuse began, could be spared.

“Michael’s life hasn’t been easy,” Vicki says, showing a glimpse of the anger she still feels about Michael’s abuse. “Nothing has been handed to him, but he’s worked hard to move past these things.”

Michael spent his high school years undergoing counseling to deal with the events of his young life.

After graduating from Edmond Memorial High School in 2002, Michael discovered the ROTC program at the University of Central Oklahoma and finally felt he’d found a purpose for his interest in history and languages.

He finished his bachelor’s degree so that he could enter the Army as an officer. However, this plan was almost preempted, because Michael wanted to quit school in his freshman year and instead enlist immediately to help defend his country. Michael understood more than most the devastating effects of the 9/11 terror attacks, and he empathized with the victims and the families left behind.

Once Michael completed his degree at UCO, he promptly enlisted in the Army. After basic and officer training, Michael completed Ranger training, which Vicki describes as “unbelievable,” including 12-hour road marches performed on little sleep and minimal food rations.

Despite his success with the Rangers, Michael opted out of the Special Forces and requested a ground combat assignment. Full of pride and purpose, he was deployed to Iraq as a second lieutenant and leader of the 18-member Delta Company, 5th platoon of the Army 101st Airborne Infantry Division in September 2007. Less than a year later, he was under investigation for murder.

Stay tuned for “The Michael Behenna Story: Part Two.”

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To read other BMW posts about Lieutenant Behenna’s case, click here.

To learn more about the case and the legal defense fund set up to help defray costs associated with Lt. Behenna’s defense, visit DefendMichael.wordpress.com.

Attorney Says Unedited Versions of the Oklahoma City Bombing Surveillance Tapes Are ‘Somewhere’

Posted on September 30, 2009 by hotoffthepress2

By Bob McCarty at BobMcCarty.com

“Someday, somewhere, somebody is going to have the guts to release that stuff,” said David P. Schippers, speaking to me by phone from his office in downtown Chicago Tuesday afternoon.

The “stuff” to which Schippers was referring is surveillance-camera footage recorded in downtown Oklahoma City on the morning of April 19, 1995, prior to the truck-bomb explosion that killed 168 people at 9:02 a.m. Central. It’s the same footage the FBI failed to release along with post-blast footage in response to a Freedom of Information Act request submitted by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue and highlighted in a NewsOK.com article published Sunday.

Who is David P. Schippers?

If you recognize his name, chances are it’s because of the notoriety he received while serving as chief investigative counsel for the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee during the Clinton Impeachment Hearings and as manager of the proceedings that followed in the U.S. Senate. Likewise, it could be that you know him as the author of the book, “SELLOUT: The Inside Story of President Clinton’s Impeachment.”

I was introduced to the 70-something Chicago-based attorney by Jayna Davis, author of the book, The Third Terrorist, which chronicled her decade-long investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing and became a New York Times Best Seller. Some 30 years his junior, Davis considers Schippers a close personal friend and something of a father figure. Moreover, she trusts and respects him — so much so, in fact, that she had him write the foreword for her book.

Barely 24 hours after publishing a series of three copyrighted posts containing never-before-published information about Davis’ investigation of the bombing, I had the opportunity to interview Schipper for almost an hour. And he did not disappoint.

Implicating Presidents

Schippers continued, “riding” a bipartisan train of thought.

“I’m convinced that both sides know that if they blow the other up, they’re both going to get it,” he said.

He didn’t stop there.

“Now, why aren’t these people (in the Obama Administration) doing anything about it?” he asked. “Because they’re not doing a (expletive) thing about anything!”

‘The Unedited Versions are Somewhere’

Asked whether he thinks anyone still has copies of the pre-explosion surveillance-camera videotapes, he said, “The answer is ‘yes.’”

“I maintain that those tapes were edited, and there’s no question about it,” he said, referring to the tapes the FBI released to Trentadue. “They were edited. That means the unedited versions are somewhere, and that’s the key. I think the FBI still has all of those tapes, and I don’t think we’re ever going to see ‘em.”

Why? He explained without prompting.

“I’ve lost all faith in the Department of Justice,” he said. “I’ve lost all faith in anything in Washington.”

Proof in a Wanted Poster?

Amidst a pause, Schippers turned the table on the interviewer and asked how many times I had seen sketches of suspects on wanted posters. I told him I had seen them often.

Then he asked, “Have you ever seen a profile?” I said I had not, and he continued.

“Do you know why the drawing of the guy was a profile? Because they took it off the tape,” he explained. “That’s where it came from. You never see a profile. It’s always a front view.”

Except in this case.

It’s likely, according to Davis’ law enforcement sources who she cannot name in order to protect them, the sketch was taken from the missing surveillance tape footage.

“But that picture with the side view of him was so obvious that it was taken from the passenger side and that was him sitting in the front seat.”

The One Thing He Wanted to Share

Asked what one thing he would share with the world about the matter of the missing pre-attack surveillance-camera footage from downtown OKC, Schippers pulled no punches.

“It would be that there is absolutely no question that those tapes existed and, if those tapes ever came forward, they would show conclusively that there was an Iraqi connection to the bombing and that there was an Iraqi sitting in the passenger seat of that truck as it pulled up to the Murrah building and that there was an Iraqi who jumped out with McVeigh and ran like hell.”

“There’s a reason they’re not releasing it,” he continued. “There were two cameras in one place. They released (footage from) one that shows a hazy picture of a Ryder truck going by. The other one would have been in such a position as to show everything about it — who’s in the front seat, the whole works. And that’s the one that hasn’t surfaced.”

While his high-profile work on Capitol Hill was important, Schippers said he would “without question” prefer to be remembered for his work with Davis rather than his involvement with the impeachment of a president.

“I’d take Jayna anytime.”

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